This is part 2 of a 2-part conversation with Lisa Perry on the topic of nuclear weapons. In part 1, Lisa and I focused on 3 specific nuclear weapons policies that were created to keep us safe, but might actually be putting us in danger. Here in part 2, we focus on the role culture can play in changing these policies and look to history for examples of how culture and public opinion influenced our leaders. We also discuss social media, the future and Lisa gives some details on what to expect from the next season of her podcast, At the Brink.

ABOUT LISA PERRY
Lisa is the Communications Director for The William J. Perry Project and the host of the At The Brink podcast. Lisa is the granddaughter of former Secretary of Defense William Perry and has dedicated her career to sounding the alarm about the modern threat of nuclear weapons for the post Cold War generations. Lisa is committed to empowering the public by breaking down the complex issues surrounding these weapons. Her show, At the Brink, is about humanity's most terrifying weapon and the stories of those who have shaped its history. At the Brink features the personal stories of presidents, cabinet members, congressmen, nuclear physicists, atomic bomb survivors, military officials, and activists.

Listen to or watch part 1 of this conversation: https://ericwhte.com/podcast-046-lisa-perry-and-the-nuclear-dilemma-part-1-of-2/

**This episode was recorded on March 10, 2021**

Lisa Perry on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lisaatthebrink
Find all links to "At The Brink" podcast here: https://atthebrink.org/

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
01:38 How can culture affect nuclear policy?
06:46 That time Reagan and Gorbachev almost eliminated nuclear weapons
11:17 Culture continued
13:15 The role social media can play in real world change
16:42 Where we are now and where we’re going
24:59 Previewing At The Brink Season 2 and closing thoughts

To find a YouTube link to watch video of this conversation or for links to the materials I used to prepare for this conversation, go here: https://ericwhte.com/podcast-047-lisa-perry-and-the-nuclear-dilemma-part-2-of-2